Live Stream The Great Conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn – YouTube
A cool astronomical update for those who are interested.
Live Stream The Great Conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn – YouTube
A cool astronomical update for those who are interested.
Land Of The Living 
Was it not last night?
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I think it may have been…it has been on live recording for almost a week (I think the dude is trying to rack up subscribers). He mentioned the date of the 21st in the description, referring to the winter solstice (he said that they would appear spectacular even to the naked eye that night). However, with how long this thing has been recording, I would be curious to see if it matches better with the Julian winter solstice (Dec 25) instead of the Gregorian.
I don’t know though 🤷♂️
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Isn’t Christ’s Mass magical?
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Clarification, please?
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Your against Christmas, if I remember. And your premise is that Christmas has pagan roots. Christ’s Mass was Christmas when it still had pagan stuff in it; it was basically the beta version of modern Christmas; the early stages of the Roman Catholic Church’s attempt to replace the pagan practices of the winter solstice.
Confused? ME too.
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I believe that celebration of Christ’s birth is not commanded in Scripture and that Christmas fits the criteria to be considered idol worship.
I don’t understand your third sentence.
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Wait wait. Isn’t celebrating Christ’s life and death not a biblically permissible thing? How can you separate His birth from His life? We celebrate His death, why not His birth? The angels celebrated it. The shepherds worshipped God because of it. The two old prophets in the temple did. All the great people of the Old Testament looked forwards to it. Why is it wrong for Christians to celebrate their Savior’s coming?
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Yes, celebrating Christ’s life and death are biblicaly permissible – but they are not commanded and thus they should not trump the command that God gave us: To not worship me in the way that the pagan’s worship their God’s (Deuteronomy 12:4).
Why do we celebrate His death? Because it matches with the feasts (btw, I don’t like Easter either). Besides, the day of death is greater than the day of birth (Ecclesiastes 7:1).
There is nothing wrong with celebrating Christ’s coming…but there is a problem with the Christmas traditions.
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So Christmas is okay in the sense of celebrating Christ’s coming, but Christmas as the world has made it out to be is wrong. So, Christmas is OKAY to be celebrated, correct?
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Christmas as so called “Christians” celebrate it is wrong (i.e. trees, wreaths, caroling, etc). However, celebrating Christ’s coming is okay.
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Well, what if I told you that not all “Christians” celebrate Christmas with trees and wreaths. To say Christmas is always celebrated with these things is wrong. Why? Because Christmas is the celebration of Christ’s coming. Now, in America they might celebrate with trees and stuff in mainstream culture.
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Listen, Christmas is the name of a christianized pagan festival. You can’t take the trees and stuff out…it’s still Christmas.
December 25 is the wrong date. Sure, celebrate it all the time, but the focus should not be on the 25. Rather, the fall or spring would be more accurate.
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Well, from your perspective it might be, but from someone who has been to many different cultures other than the western culture, I know people can celebrate Christmas without trees, gifts, and wreaths.
You disproved your own point. The actual date is unknown. Any date chosen will be called wrong by someone. So, focus on the actual date is useless. I agree we should celebrate Christ’s birth all year long, but you know that we can’t.
All 365 days of the year should have the same intensity of worship and celebration seen on Dec 25th. But this we can’t do. So, tell me, is it better to go all year long half heartedly focusing on Christ’s coming or have one day where we do it full heartedly and still do it half heartedly the rest of the year?
I dont’ think we should criticize the intensity of focus given on Dec 25th, I think we should criticize how this intensity in focus is not shown on the other days too. Better have one day of intense, full-hearted worship rather than have none.
Again, “worship” and “celebrate” I mean to be correct celebration of Christ’s birth, of course.
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I did not disprove my own point. My point was that it was not winter and certainly not on the pagan saternalia festival.
I agree with your next points.
What is the correct celebration of Christ’s birth?
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It was on November, if I remember. But you still don’t have a date on it. Therefore, even if you moved the date to November, I still have the right to call you a pagan nut who worships on the obviously wrong date.
Just keep it simple. Have the family gather around and read the Nativity account or something to remember what happened.
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Sorry, could you please rephrase the first paragraph in this comment?
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I don’t think I will lol I don’t think I can
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Oh, that was what I would do personally. I do believe it is not wrong to do.
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What’s is not wrong to do? Reading Scripture or setting up trees?
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I personally don’t see anything wrong in setting up a tree as long as it is not done in worship for pagans. One can do it and have a clean conscience. But I do think that it is an extra people have incorporated into “Christmas”
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I think I will post a video about Christmas soon. Maybe you will change your mind. 🤷♂️
But anyway, back to the thing that started this all, what do you mean by “isn’t Christ’s Mass magical.”
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Because Christ’s Mass is not magical. It is paganic. I was being sarcastic.
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Wow…you could have told me that at first!
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LOL!
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The Roman Catholics disliked the pagan rituals. They tried to get rid of its celebrations by telling the people to celebrate Christ’s birth instead of the pagan.
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Really? Could you please show me your source?
To my understanding, they used the pagan festivals as a marketing opportunity to sell “christianity.” They tried to get rid of what celebrations? To may understanding, it was the Protestants who rejected Christmas. In fact, if you look back in history, you find that the Protestants held a total abhorrence to Christmas at first (it was actually illegal) because they realized what it actually symbolized.
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Yes, but why did they want to advertise Christianity? Because they did not like the Pagan religion. Their way of replacing the pagan religion might have been wrong, but their motive was in the right. They were not trying to make Christmas pagan, they were trying to use it to replace paganism.
Yes, the Puritans were the strongest if I remember correctly. But, again, that depends on what you define as “Christmas”. They did not ban the celebration of Christ’s coming (but if they did, then it is not surprising; they were broken in theology anyways.)
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Because it was a good way for them to earn money (tithes).
Catholicism has pretty much always been evil. Maybe neither of us can really say what there intentions were back then, but we are inclined to our opinions.
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It might, but o one truly believes they are evil. They always think they are good. Tithes will help the church which is a godly institution, they might have think. And, though it might be true that that was a reason, that was not their main reason.
Okay, I’ll pick on you a bit. I am a Catholic. I am not a Roman Catholic. Catholicism is good. Roman Catholicism is heresy.
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The church is a godly institution? We differ there. There are a lot of things that the modern day “Church” does that are wrong and not God pleasing.
Again, you can’t say whether it was or wasn’t their main reason.
You are a strange Catholic…but I like you anyway. 😀 Can you send me your Church doctrine?
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*smack face* I never said that the church as in the Roman Catholic church is a godly institution. If you reread my comment carefully, you will notice that I was saying that they might have thought that, not me.
My church as in my local church or the Catholic Church of Jesus Christ?
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Oh, I see.
Sure, your local church. I care more about what you think, though.
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My local church is led by an eldership of four. One never preaches and has a cafe and antique shop. The other works for a bank security company. One is retired. My dad, the only one with a Biblical education, works in Menards (a type of HomeDepot).
As you can see, we are pretty simple. We don’t have a creed, I think. Just obey Jesus and don’t baptize babies lol
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